they got to it, the way they teased it was to say the president talks about the hacking scandal for michelle obama, the first lady. now, is that a clue that there's no news? yes, there was no news. i mean, basically, it is the president using that format, i think, and we saw this with the cbs interview so widely criticized, the 60 minutes interview, he uses the press in this way on his terms and i think this is what we're seeing succeed for him time and again. >> jon: go ahead. >> except, let's be honest, this is the president of the united states who as candidate called 6 trillion dollars unamerican, and 6 trillion dollars is unamerican, 16 trillion dollars is not american. i mean, this is the next level and yet, the media are acting like, i think you are correct, kirsten, well, we've heard it before. but bush never called his, you know, 6 trillion dollar national debt unamerican. obama did, hold him accountable. if it's unamerican, let's call him unaccountable. >> i was about to say we went through a terrible recession and steps had to be taken and dick cheney is the man who said deficits